Self-designated special white lady

By joankelly6000

So something LM said in the comments to my post about the b.s. at Angry Black Woman’s “Thank you white people,” thread made me uncomfortable.  I tried to figure out why, and I think this is what it is:

A white person in ABW’s comment thread threw out a “well it’s not very nice to talk about hating whitey!” type of thing early on.  And my post was in response to the fact that it is a crazy thing to go to a thread like that one and mention something that not only didn’t even happen there – no use of the term “whitey” whatsoever – but that I have personally never seen used anywhere on the blogs I read, written mostly by women of color.

I said that I knew *I* had used that term, and then I said in my comments that I liked using it.

And then LM mentioned that some other white people seem to like using the word “honky.”

I read that and went to myself, “Ew!  It irritates me when white people use that word – it is so self-referential and often used as an attempt to ironically signify oneself as ‘not like those other, racist white people.’”

Then I thought – well what is it exactly that I am doing by using “whitey” the way I do?  How would that be different?  How would that NOT be me trying to signify “hey I am a specially not-racist white person and I prove this by talking about other white people as if I am not-them, and in an angry, insulting way”?

I do still agree with what I said (in comments, in the other thread, talking with LM) about not seeing honky or whitey as racist slurs, but I think that I have been doing something with using “whitey” that is lame.  For me, as a white person saying it.

Mostly when I have tried to chime in with support in places online where I see racism happening, I have tried to steer away from framing it in a self-righteous way, like I’m outraged-on-behalf-of-people-of-color-and-so-I-am-going-to-look-down-my-nose-at-this-stupid-white-person-and-call-him-or-her-names.  (Versus addressing specifics of what is going on, and why it’s not okay.)  I have tried not to do that because it always feels to me like a re-centering of whatever’s actually going on to an exhibition of my-good-white-person-credentials.  Well, and also because I have never experienced it as an effective tactic, in any sense, whatever the goal.

My point is that I think there are a ton of ways where I can be doing the above-mentioned thing that grosses me out when I see other people do it (puffing myself up as a sort of blow-hard Hero to People Of Color [tm]), and all the while be trying to make myself even special-er by telling myself that what I’m doing is different.

I also thought about this because of another post at ABW called “Allies Talking.”  I got mad about that post – not at Angry Black Woman, but at the idea that somehow it may be acceptable for so-called well-meaning racist white people to expect gentle approaches from anyone, including other white people, to try and coax them into being allies.  I wrote to ABW that I felt like the only post I could write for that carnival would be along the lines of “Snap out of it, motherfuckers, I’m tired of this shit.”

Now I feel like, is it laziness for me to want to dismiss the whole thing?  Not laziness as in would-rather-sit-on-the-couch-than-write-a-post and submit it, but lazy thinking?  To say fuck this, if people aren’t on board, they deserve non-confrontational discussions even LESS, fuck ‘em, I’m not talking to people like that anymore.  Considering that it is my belief that the majority of white people where I live, in the U.S., are like the white people ABW has asked other white people to consider addressing, and considering I do want that to change, well what is it that I think will accomplish that?  My rageful dismissiveness?

I have to say I do actually consider ideas like separatism to be valid.  That’s not even the topic of her post, and nothing anyone else has really brought up to my knowledge.  I’m just saying – I don’t think that any person of color would be guilty for not acting on their own rageful dismissiveness, if that’s how they feel.  I don’t think it’s lazy thinking for a person of color to say, yes, have had it with white people who need coddling in order to consider dealing with racism, fuck ‘em, I’m done.  Taken to whatever degree an individual feels is necessary for them.

I think that it’s different for me to do it, though.  I’m not saying I need to, or can, do any coddling, I’m not saying “well hell this is what it’s obviously going to take so I should pitch in.”  I am still mad that for many people, coddling is indeed what it seems to take, and even then, well…  I am not thinking of a ton of cases lately where I have even seen the most respectful and patient approaches result in much change in white people’s attitudes.

Be that as it may, and being as it is that I am uncomfortable using the word “ally” in reference to myself (I feel like it’s not up to me to decide if anyone else feels like I am allied with their well-being; I don’t think you get to just title yourself that way), I still have an underlying belief about what it is that I owe the people around me and indeed, the world at large. 

And I’m pretty sure it isn’t a declaration that because I find the work maddening, I am simply not going to do it.  I think it makes more sense to ask myself, well if I don’t think this one way is working, who am I not to try and think of a different way, then? 

10 Responses to “Self-designated special white lady”

  1. outfox Says:

    Hi, came across your blog via blogrolls via Sudy’s femwatch. Liking it very much!

    Agreed with the rejection of whites wanting to hear it from a white person. A white person can do that forever & just facilitate appropriation: by both the “really committed” anti-racist white who’s rewarded for being a “good speaker” on things POC already said, and the “angry POC scare me!” white liberal who then learns all the jargon of anti-racism to co-opt it.

    I’m going to submit to that Carnival though, on this topic. Because it’s the point where I’m at, and I think some better dialouge might result about what the different ways could be, at a Carnival hosted by ABW.

    Which is wrong again, because I base that hope on knowing that forums dominated by whites are recurrently derailed by white ego centering approaches re: taking the tone of most righteous white, most humble white. At least in this case, people will have to promote ABW’s site, not a white liberal one, to read it, and some whites may make more of an effort knowing that the mod isn’t a white liberal. Sad, but true, still thinking it through.

  2. L.M. Says:

    Hello, me again! :)

    “I read that and went to myself, “Ew! It irritates me when white people use that word – it is so self-referential and often used as an attempt to ironically signify oneself as ‘not like those other, racist white people.’””
    Thanks for putting your finger on what bothers me about it, too.
    Also, both “whitey” and “honky” have that diminuitive “eeee” ending, so I also dislike the effect that it minimizes the reality of white privilege and harm to people of color (via racism), then it’s like “white people are just these harmless people with mean names that some hypothetical people of color out there call them.” I mean “whitey” and “honky” are a hell of a lot less ugly than “racist” or “white supremacist”.

  3. joankelly6000 Says:

    Outfox – thanks for stopping by, and for your comment. I agree, about it at least being traffic for ABW’s blog, which deserves every bit it gets.

    LM – always with the stuff I hadn’t thought about before. = why I love your brain. “I mean “whitey” and “honky” are a hell of a lot less ugly than “racist” or “white supremacist”.” Agreed. Thanks for commenting, as ever.

  4. Fire Fly Says:

    One thing that I remember someone, I think Ilyka Damen, saying is that there’s a lot of derailing of anti-racist efforts when white people jostle for position over ‘best ally in the room’ status… which again, seems tied into a white-dominated agenda of feel-good politics.

    And it troubles me that prominent Black liberation leaders like Dr. King and Malcolm X have exhorted white people to work on white communities, but that it tends to produce the really screwy, self-referential dynamics that Outfox describes.

    Also, hi! I started reading your blog after I saw some of your comments over in BlackAmazon’s blog.

  5. joankelly6000 Says:

    mmm Ilyka….

    Agreed about the “agenda of feel-good politics,” and nicely put. Thanks for commenting here, Fire Fly. I am excited every time a good blogger comes here and comments for the first time! :)

  6. Fire Fly Says:

    You’re welcome! {feels flattered}

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  8. ilyka Says:

    You have a blog and I’m a fucking moron for not knowing it! Joan has a blog! Joan’s blog, let me show u it!

    All right, I’ll stop spazzing out. Joan, this:

    Be that as it may, and being as it is that I am uncomfortable using the word “ally” in reference to myself (I feel like it’s not up to me to decide if anyone else feels like I am allied with their well-being; I don’t think you get to just title yourself that way), I still have an underlying belief about what it is that I owe the people around me and indeed, the world at large.

    I’m so glad I found this because that’s been on my mind lately. But the weird thing is, I cut other white people all the slack in the world if they talk about being an ally or being a better ally, etc. I just can’t use it myself because like you said, that isn’t up to me. I feel that not only does it have to be earned, but that one has to do far more work than I do to earn it. It’d be great if I could just hammer on the keyboard, hit publish, and voila! ally work accomplished! racism over!, but I’m pretty sure it doesn’t work that way.

    I also like what L.M. pointed out about the diminutives on whitey and honky. I never considered that before but that’s right: They help euphemize “white supremacist” and “racist,” soften the blow to white egos, and correspondingly attempt to diminish the harm done to people of color.

    Fire Fly, I am flattered you remember that comment. Thank you! And thank you for pointing me to JOOOOOAAAN!

  9. Fire Fly Says:

    You’re welcome. It stuck in my mind because it seems like a genuine case of a white perspective offering something to anti-racist discussion, rather than derailing or apologising. I’m trying to figure out how to encourage more of that.

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